another update. added more detail to the back this time, plus a bit to the arms and abdominal area. didn't add much because 1) it's gonna be an in-game model and 2) i don't know how!!! i mean, everytime i try adding creases and cuts to the body they just look plain weird... even if they're supposed to be there. any tips on how to progressively add cuts and muscle detail would be VERY much appreciated. oh, and again, how do i make the hair? i'm a newb at character stuff so i'm pretty much lost at this point. thanks for the help everyone.